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Boston bombers was created by mrraley

It's an older article, but a look at Checnya...

Death toll over 340 at school in Russia

Russia: Rumors,
"Attack the issue NOT the individual"

“Fix the problem, DON’T affix the blame”

"Prosecute the position, NOT the person"
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Obama Could Have Deported Boston Bomber
"Attack the issue NOT the individual"

“Fix the problem, DON’T affix the blame”

"Prosecute the position, NOT the person"
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Replied by OleCowboy on topic Boston bombers

Looks like the FBI was on the tail of the older brother.

On another note: I read two, 2, full pages in the newspaper this am, the story came out of Wash DC, not local paper. In two, 2, full pages it was never mentioned they might be radicals or ANYTHING negative. In fact the only mention way toward the end was this: "there is a theory the brothers might be Muslim radicals, but it is only a theory".

If you had read the article you would have thought these are a couple of ALL AMERICAN boys that somehow just went bad for unkown reasons....by the end of the article you began to feel bad for them!!!!!!
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Replied by 13fcolt on topic Boston bombers

Trying to spin sympathy for terrorists.
It's a new low for the media. As I ate dinner on campus, the TV is always on CNN all day everyday, a reporter was trying to get the father to talk.. nothing but the same tired old 'my baby din do nuffin' and they rode that wave as hard as they could. No soft-balling it in, the spin was down right belligerent, that America is the bad guy and terrorists are the victims.
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Replied by Akai on topic Boston bombers

I remember when the tragedy happened in Russia, mostly children and one of the worst crimes of the century! So, as I thought not only the USA that has things like this happen, but, when they do we handle them pretty good. :usa: and things like this happen all over the world the ones we don't hear about are far worse, I can't even begin to tell you, their are some sick people out there. So I guess we can be thankful for big brother at least getting them on camera and catching them. Lesson learned you are being watched most of the time and probably will not get away with anything you do against the laws and we do handle most situations to the best of our ability :usa:
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Replied by Sharkey on topic Boston bombers

I remember hearing the reports from the initial shooting where the older brother was killed.

I sat here listening to the man from the house or apartment talking about bullets coming through the walls, hitting his television and other things as the fire-fight went on just outside. He said he was huddled into a corner with his family praying to God that they would be ok and not get hit.

Well guys, I FIRMLY believe in God. My wife and sons and I go to church regularly. Cathy and I even go once a month to an ongoing Christian marriage seminar (very small, 6 couple group plus the minister and his wife) and we ALL say prayers at night before bed-time, usually all together and I DO believe in the power of prayer and God.

BUT -

I also believe that God gave us all certain abilities and if we were ever faced with the same situation and God was to find ME huddled in a corner praying and crying, I would surely be on my way to hell for not getting up and DOING something about it.

This is why we all own weapons and why they should NEVER be banned anywhere because as long as we, the citizens of these United States, still have the God given abilities to defend ourselves, we are bound by HIS gifts to use these tools and abilities we have to ensure those acting for evil are stopped as quickly as possible. It's a very simple equation.

I will never be found sitting in a corner, huddled with my family praying that the bullets will not harm us when I have bullets and weapons of my own that can put a fast end to the threat.

Defending my family and the people around us will never, ever be anything I will ask to be forgiven for. This is a duty and our responsibility and if we fail in our responsibilities or fail to act upon them, THEN we will need forgiveness...

It is one of my greatest hopes that people HEARD and LISTENED to the man talking about hiding and huddling in the corner with his family - as bullets flew right through their walls and into their home - and all they could do was cry and pray. THESE are the people the president should have standing beside him - because right now, I'll be willing to bet that man is looking for better ways to protect his family in case of an emergency and his tale of not being able to should resound in everyone's ears as gun laws are discussed.
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Replied by OleCowboy on topic Boston bombers

Watching this on TV was insightful: They locked down the entire city of Boston, told in fact gave orders for everyone to stay inside, not come out while they (the GOVERNMENT) marshaled forces and we have no idea how many and where from, but you can bet it a lot from US, state etc. I did see a few military uniforms running around, which scares me to no end. I am seeing more and more of this.

Then we watched this thing play out on TV for a couple of days...REALLY, how many 1000's of troopers chasing a 19 yr kid who is bleeding and stealing cars, tossing bombs.

Then is found in a boat BECAUSE a home owner called it in!!!!!!

Sorry folks I do not see this as some finely tuned operation. I did see a lot of folks trying to get their mug on camera and be label as hero's.

I have seen a lot of hero's on my life and most were dead. But hero worship by the media is getting out of control. First no one is a hero for doing their JOB. I saw a lot o death on the battlefield on both sides of the fight. Most died doing their job out there and all too often they died because they did something dumb...like Joe, Joe was ALWAYS sticking his head up and looking around. Can't say how many times we told him, keep your head down. He would not do it, which led to more and longer viewing time till he took it between the eyes.

If there is a frying pan fire and 10 firemen show up the media is fawning over how they are hero's...not a hero for doing you job. In firemen's case the biggest heroes I have seen in years were the VOLUNTEER fireman in West Texas. Takes a lot of guts to volunteer to walk into a burning building that may explode, little different when you are getting paid 6 figures, full retirement after 25 years and only work 1 out of every 3 days and the average fireman will never see a major fire in their career.

Point is we are seeing and hearing our great and wonderful the govt is and they are going to 'serve and protect' us, when in fact its just the opssite:

"According to American Police Beat, the average response time for an emergency call is 10 minutes. Atlanta has the worst response time with 11 to 12 minutes and Nashville comes in at a lightning speed of 9 minutes. The Department of Justice, with their statistical prowess, reports that the best response time is 4 minutes and the worst over 1 hour." www.self-defense-mind-body-spirit.com/av...e-response-time.html

The message (end game if you will) is you don't need guns, govt will take care of you...BS!!!

Even at the very best of response time of 4 min it does not compare with my AR 10T at 2400 feet in range or over 1/2 mile. and 2800 feet per second.

There is a LOT more to this story than we are seeing and hearing at this time and like Benghazi we are going to only hear what the govt wants us to hear and the rest will be buried.

Now I am am hearing calls for a 'relief fund' for the families of the people killed. Sorry folks, I know I have always donated and did so generously for the families of 9/11 only to find out most families were not needy to begin with and average payout* was $3-$7 million tax free dollars...I only wanted to help those in need, not provide them with instant retirement and lead the life of a jet setting celebrity.

* Not sure why the difference in payout to different folks? Trying to find out who and why is another group of facts and information that has been shrouded in secrecy...wonder why???
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Replied by Siscowet on topic Boston bombers

I think there are a lot of heros among first responders, but I do think this media heroization bit has gotten old. By the way, anyone notice that there were reports of a lot of full auto fire, during the apprehending at the boat? I am guessing that they were using 5.56 AR's and that they had a problem penetrating the fiberglass boat. Just a guess. If an AR10 had been around, the outcome may have been different. But we will never know, probably.
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Replied by jtallen83 on topic Boston bombers

I to am greatly worried about all the Federal uniforms I saw, particularly military, police powers belong to the state. I understand small towns needing some help once in awhile but they have blown these task force things way out of proportion.
I still haven't heard any details of accidental discharges, shots were fired several times during the day leading up to capture, what were they shooting at. My guess is you get that many people running around locked and loaded odds say there will be an accident or two, just wondering............
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Replied by OleCowboy on topic Boston bombers

JT I have watched for years the growth and encroachment of the federal resources in state business. Let any minority get involved in a majority-minority altercation and the FBI is involved. Let their be a gun as in a AR 10, any assault weapon etc and and you have FBI/ATF oversight.

Much of this was brought about as a result of Katrina when the finger pointing reached fever pitch due to Mayor Ragin-Nagin trying to blame the Feds for Katrina. I think you know well the chain of command structure. Historically in the US the feds were last to the show. That said Katrina will be a case book study someday as to how the feds took over the states and crushed our basic rights:



Katrina, a disaster, 300 years in the making. 300 years ago, the French built a city and built a dike to protect it from
the ocean and that is where it began.

159 years ago, the first welfare check was handed out to someone in need and the beginnings of human bondage that has eclipsed even the Civil War has endured.

Who is at fault and should we address fault or just move forward. Maybe its
time we addressed who is at fault

From an infrastructure architecture viewpoint, we can start with the French.
I mean, 300 years ago they knew they were doing something dumb when they had to build a dike to build a city. That should have given cause for alarm then but it did not. Moreover, to further the problem, New Orleans has managed to dodge the hurricane bullet for as many years. Much like a
solider who the longer he stays alive only gets braver in combat. New
Orleans became complacent and ever more brave until it was struck right
between the eyes. Here we can place blame on the French and everybody that has built or lived there and thumbed their collective noses at Mother
Nature. As New Orleans sunk, the people played until it was 12’ below sea
level. Guess this gives credence to the old axe, “hard to pull out in the
middle of a good screw.”

That was easy; we blamed everyone for the past 300 years. Nevertheless,
what about the disaster that has taken place, who is to blame for that?
First, you do not blame Mother Nature. Maybe everyone collectively for
burying his or her heads in the sand to what could be. For the continuous
party atmosphere that mostly served to reinforce the viewpoint that “can’t
touch us”.

Nevertheless, lets begin to pinpoint blame. If the pot boils over on the
stove, are you or the HOA, city, county, state, or Federal government
responsible? Moreover, so it goes up the chain of command with each one who is
responsible notifying the one above of requirements for help and assistance.

New Orleans knew this was coming 300 years ago when the French built the
first dikes. It appears many Mayors have shirked their duty over the years.
As have the Parrish and State officials. The Feds are not totally without
fault, for they also knew of possible consequences of a Cat 5 hurricane.
However, the Feds are responsible for a nation, not a State, not a Parrish,
not a city, not you or your home.

The Feds knew Katrina was coming, in fact they told everybody, when and
where and they told them a week in advance. So where were the plans that
New Orleans had worked on for the past 300 years? Most of all, who was in
charge? New York pulled itself together only hours after the planes struck,
because someone stepped up and took charge and responsibility, not because they had a plan for planes flying into buildings. Mayor Rudy took charge and assumed responsibility. However, not in the city of New Orleans, it’s Parrish or even the Governor of the state. For those of you not up on your
Constitutional reading or the basis for the Civil War, you are in for a
surprise. The Feds cannot wander into a state or city with Federal troops
and take over. This is America, its does not work that way. The Mayor has
many assets at his disposal, if they cannot handle it, then he turns to the
Parrish and state for help and support. The Governor sends in the Louisiana
National Guard and then asks for further assistance from the Feds. The last
thing any citizen wants is the Feds making the decision when to declare
martial law and show up guns blazing.

The Feds were not late in arriving, they were late being invited!

Looks like the genesis for blame lays at the feet of the New Orleans Mayor
and the state Governor for not seeing the train wreck they were told about,
about to happen.

FEMA should have been brought in by the Mayor before the hurricane hit.
Would things have been or gone differently? I doubt it, FEMA has a rich
history of failed leadership, piss-poor planning and overall incompetence.
A government agency that should have been eliminated a long time ago. Now FEMA is a part of another Federal agency, The Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS).

Nevertheless, what about the people that were most affected? Racism, class
warfare, or just no one cared. To start with, they did not want leave their
home. Should the local or federal government had forced them out? The Feds lacked the authority and if anyone had it, then it would have been at the local and state level, not somebody in Washington DC. Is it their fault
that our country has spent 1 Trillion $ on welfare since 1964 and all that
we can show for it is more people of welfare. Welfare as we know it is
simply socialism. In spite of the talking heads on TV who say, “the role of
the Federal Government is to protect its people” it just ain’t so. Matter
of fact, its not the role of any government “to protect its people”. The
role of the Feds is to protect these shores of this nation. Does that
include it people? Yes, it does wholly but not individually. Often I see
pasted on the side of patrol cars of cities the phrase “to serve and
protect”. Not sure, what pompous police chief dreamed that one up but it’s as far from the truth. Not sure how 1500 police in New Orleans could protect a city of 600k.

Why are these poor folks in Ward 9 in the shape they are in? Ward 9’s are
all over the US. In addition, it is right where many folks in Congress want
them. Wards of the state, paid to vote for the many in Congress who believe
that the Government is here to take care of its people, that personal choice
and freedom is a bad thing, taxes should be collected and redistributed so
as all have. Take from the rich, give to the poor. “Take from each
according to their ability, give to each according to their needs” ( Karl
Marx). “The Governmint needs to provide jobs” (Jesse Jackson).

Abe Lincoln freed the slaves, but he did not free them from the bonds of
 US Congressional-Government Agency slavery.

Bottom line:
• Blame fools for building and continuing to build a city 12 feet below sea
level
• Blame the people of New Orleans for being fooled for 300 years that Mother Nature would never visit
• Blame city and state leaders for being incompetent for the lack of
planning and inept in their failure of leadership
• Blame FMEA and OHS for aiding and abetting local and state officials in
their foolish ways
• Blame Congress and its socialist desires of putting a people into a
slavery far worse than anything man has known, slavery of the mind and body,
our welfare state.
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