A frustrating range day.p
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Replied by Lizardette on topic A frustrating range day.p
Sisco: Very nice shooting, especially for the conditions you mentioned. I share some of your wind related frustration since it seems every range day is like that when you're a mile above sea-level. I kid you not, there was one day the winds were so strong they blew my 168's four inches left at 100 yards. I thought it must have been something I had done, until I talked with the people on either side of me and found out their groups all shifted left as well, and kept going to the same place for the next 30 minutes. Things get even more interesting above 9,000 feet. 
BTW, 50,000 psi should be perfectly safe (assuming SAAMI is to be trusted, of course).
BTW, 50,000 psi should be perfectly safe (assuming SAAMI is to be trusted, of course).
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Replied by MrMarty51 on topic A frustrating range day.p
And 
How is the school, that is the new question.
Was going to go with the brother, He is here from northern California, wind is howling and a gusting, probably not today.
How is the school, that is the new question.
Was going to go with the brother, He is here from northern California, wind is howling and a gusting, probably not today.
Things is moving fast now.
What`ll You say when Jesus asks, Why did`nt You read My book ???
What`ll You say when Jesus asks, Why did`nt You read My book ???
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Replied by jtallen83 on topic A frustrating range day.p
Liz, Now that I think of it I can't say I've met a Smith who went to school. You'll do fine teaching yourself, odds are you'll make more money because you'll be following your bliss and not someones preconceived idea about what you should do and how to do it. I'm working the Natchez Trace near Tupelo Mississippi, couldn't find a smith here that would swap flash hiders for me! There's a market here! 
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JT: No one would swap a flash hider? I... I don't know what to say to that. No one had a barrel vise, and a set of box-wrenches?
As far as schooling goes though, I've met a lot of gunsmithing school graduates, even before I came out here. Some of them charge out the nose too. I talked to one guy who wanted over $100 to drill and tap four holes! Jeebuss... I just wanted to be able to put a receiver sight on a Mauser action and a target base at the end of the barrel.
I've also met some that are real nervous about doing jobs that should be relatively simple, like threading and chambering a contoured barrel blank. Cutting threads is sort of basic when it comes to work on a lathe. Chambering is difficult to screw up as long as you know how deep the chamber needs to be. The guy was trying everything to talk me out of having him do the job. The sad part was all I did was ask for a price quote, and he couldn't give me that. Shouldn't every business have a price list for common jobs they perform?
There was another who, bless his heart, was actually a graduate of Colorado School of Trades but didn't seem to have a brain in his head. I saw him at a gunshow and I asked him about re-chambering a barrel from 308 Winchester to 30-338 Winchester Magnum. He told me it depended on how much "meat" there was around the chamber. Red Flag. I told him it was a Shilen #7 contour which was threaded but never installed. That meant nothing to him. Red Flag. I told him I'd measured it and it was approximately 1.220" forward of the threaded shank for about 4 inches, and tapered from there to .987" at the muzzle. He didn't know if that would be enough. RED FLAG. I gave up and asked him if he'd take the barrel and examine it. He said yes. I went to my car, got the barrel out of the trunk (I knew I was going to be asking him about this and wanted to be ready to ship it off that day) showed it to him and he says to me... and this was painful to hear, "I'd have to have my machinist look at it." Final Straw. He's not getting any business from me.
So, it looks like there's room just about everywhere for someone who knows anything about the subject. ...excluding Denver. There are lots of gunsmiths here.
There does seem to be one actual professional in the area I'm moving back to. He set up shop while I was away. I doubt he's making enough money to pay any employees, but I may see if I can work with him and learn a few things anyway. I'd be happy for the conversation if nothing else. There are a surprising number of technical issues in gunsmithing that make it difficult to have an in-depth conversation with anyone else about.
Either way, I will make this happen. If I can set back the shoulder of an FAL barrel so it times right, using nothing more than hand files and a barrel vise... Well, let's just say my determination isn't in question.
As far as schooling goes though, I've met a lot of gunsmithing school graduates, even before I came out here. Some of them charge out the nose too. I talked to one guy who wanted over $100 to drill and tap four holes! Jeebuss... I just wanted to be able to put a receiver sight on a Mauser action and a target base at the end of the barrel.
I've also met some that are real nervous about doing jobs that should be relatively simple, like threading and chambering a contoured barrel blank. Cutting threads is sort of basic when it comes to work on a lathe. Chambering is difficult to screw up as long as you know how deep the chamber needs to be. The guy was trying everything to talk me out of having him do the job. The sad part was all I did was ask for a price quote, and he couldn't give me that. Shouldn't every business have a price list for common jobs they perform?
There was another who, bless his heart, was actually a graduate of Colorado School of Trades but didn't seem to have a brain in his head. I saw him at a gunshow and I asked him about re-chambering a barrel from 308 Winchester to 30-338 Winchester Magnum. He told me it depended on how much "meat" there was around the chamber. Red Flag. I told him it was a Shilen #7 contour which was threaded but never installed. That meant nothing to him. Red Flag. I told him I'd measured it and it was approximately 1.220" forward of the threaded shank for about 4 inches, and tapered from there to .987" at the muzzle. He didn't know if that would be enough. RED FLAG. I gave up and asked him if he'd take the barrel and examine it. He said yes. I went to my car, got the barrel out of the trunk (I knew I was going to be asking him about this and wanted to be ready to ship it off that day) showed it to him and he says to me... and this was painful to hear, "I'd have to have my machinist look at it." Final Straw. He's not getting any business from me.
So, it looks like there's room just about everywhere for someone who knows anything about the subject. ...excluding Denver. There are lots of gunsmiths here.
There does seem to be one actual professional in the area I'm moving back to. He set up shop while I was away. I doubt he's making enough money to pay any employees, but I may see if I can work with him and learn a few things anyway. I'd be happy for the conversation if nothing else. There are a surprising number of technical issues in gunsmithing that make it difficult to have an in-depth conversation with anyone else about.
Either way, I will make this happen. If I can set back the shoulder of an FAL barrel so it times right, using nothing more than hand files and a barrel vise... Well, let's just say my determination isn't in question.
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Replied by jtallen83 on topic A frustrating range day.p
They both told me that Sigs were very tight from the factory and they didn't want to mess up the rifle. One suggested I try some heat
evidently he didn't here me when I told him I didn't have access to a vise........I think you already know more than many Smiths, if you can't find a slot somewhere don't be afraid to just jump in on your own, you'll do fine!
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